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EMSsquirrel
12-29-2005, 16:24
From our very own front page news... Someone tell me this is April Fools a few months early!
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Baystar Paramedic arrested while trying to render care - Texas
A medic with Baytown-based Baystar EMS was arrested for disorderly conduct after responding to a call in La Porte on Wednesday.
La Porte police say the medic became belligerent and resisted arrest when Baystar was issued a citation for operating in the city without a permit, but the owner of Baystar claims police used excessive force in unnecessarily arresting the medic.
Baystar owner Charles Bryan said the medic, Nathaniel Jung, refused to sign the citation until his supervisor arrived. Jung has officially been charged with resisting arrest.
“He never resisted,” Bryan said. “He had hands by his side and the officer came up and grabbed him in the back of the neck and took him down.”
Baystar was receiving a citation under a La Porte city ordinance passed last year that requires private ambulance operators to attain a city permit.
La Porte EMS chief Ray Nolen said the permits are required to ensure private ambulance medics are properly trained, have proper equipment and understand emergency policies in the city.
Nolen said Baystar has never received a permit.
“It’s my understanding they made a couple of contacts with our inspectors to start the process but they never followed through,” Nolen said.
Enforcement of the new ordinance had been relaxed until the city began a new permit cycle on Oct. 1, Nolen said.
Bryan said the ambulance was responding to a call from a La Porte resident who was having trouble breathing. Baystar notified La Porte EMS and was cleared to respond to the call, Bryan said.
“He was just there to help the patient and that’s all,” Bryan said. “There was nothing for them to take him down.”
But La Porte police say Jung became combative and used abusive language and stood in the road after Baystar was issued the citation.
“On the radio traffic you could hear him swearing,” said La Porte police Chief Richard Reff. “The officer was just telling him to settle down. He wasn’t interested in arresting him but all the cussing and screaming in front of all those people is not necessary.”
Dec 29, 2005, 10:59
Austin Kinghorn/Baytown Sun
emt_chance
12-29-2005, 16:45
Is this real?
Wow, that really sucks, the whole situation sounds like a bunch of political BS to me, doesn't Texas have a State EMS Bureau? Shold a city be enforcing EMS standards or is that a state job? Next question is if Baystar got permission from La Porte EMS, whats the problem? And finally did this happen on the way to, during, or after the call? If this incident happened on the way to or during the call wouldnt this in essence be delaying patient care by the police and is that not an issue? I think the medic would also be justified in being upset if not irate if that were the case also. Anyway, just some thoughts, the whole thing kind of smells like a political peeing contest to be honest.
Epinephrine
12-29-2005, 16:48
From the Bay Star President...
On December 28, 2005 at approximately 0848 Bay Star Ambulance Service was contacted by a La Porte residence in regards to one of their family members having difficulty breathing and going in and out of consciousness. At this point in the conversation Bay Star's dispatch felt it would be beneficial for the patient if we responded emergency traffic to the residence. Since La Porte has an ordinance Bay Star contacted the La Porte police, fire, and ems dispatch to notify them of our response to the residence within their jurisdiction. The patients address and complaint was given along with our notification of intent to respond with lights and sirens. The La Porte dispatcher cleared Bay Star's ambulance and at no time did the La Porte dispatcher offer any assistance or inform us that they had a closer ambulance available, moreso did not deny us response.
Upon our approaching of the residence our ambulance along with a paramedic were stopped prior to reaching the residence, by the La Porte EMS supervisor. Our crews explained that we had been cleared by their dispatch to respond to this residence for assistance. Our crews were informed by the La Porte EMS supervisor, that he would be issuing us a ticket and were not to make patient contact. Bay Star crews and the La Porte EMS supervisor could see the family attempting to desperately wave and call out to our medics. The La Porte EMS supervisor stated we had to remain at our unit and not make patient contact, that they had an ambulance enroute to the patient.
During this time our crews were demanded to sign the ticket that was being issued to them. Bay Star's crews requested that they wait until their supervisor arrived who was en route and would be there shortly and again asked if they could make patient contact, which the La Porte EMS supervisor refused. La Porte supervisor then contacted La Porte police department. Upon police department's arrival Bay Star's crews were told they would sign the ticket or go to jail. Note: No other Ambulance had arrived as of yet and the family was still calling upon us.
Bay Star's paramedic still stated that he wanted to wait until his supervisor arrived and was requesting to see the patient. At this time the La Porte police officer grabbed Bay Star's paramedic behind the neck and began shaking him and dragging him around excessively demanding he sign the ticket. At no time, stated by witnesses, did the Bay Star paramedic threaten or disregard the police officers authority in any way. The Bay Star paramedic was then thrown to the ground in a felony style take down, striking his head on the curb and began bleeding profusely about the head. The La Porte EMS supervisor then zipped tied Bay Star's paramedic's hands behind his back.
As Bay Star's supervisor arrived on scene he was not allowed to enter the scene due to the La Porte police officer requesting assistance. During this time with the family observing all of these actions La Porte EMS finally showed up to assist the patient. The La Porte ambulance took an additional ten minutes after our arrival before they made patient contact. La Porte EMS then transferred the patient with lights and sirens to Bayshore Hospital due to the patients deteriorating condition.
The patient is now listed in critical condition.
Charles Bryan
Owner, Bay Star Ambulance Service
baystarems@mindspring.com
************************************************** ***
I know personally I don't understand how another EMS employee can keep another from treating a patient in need. At the very least, they should have allowed Nate and his crew in to get vitals and get the patient packaged and ready to go. I really cannot understand how the EMS Supervisor would spend his time detaining another EMS crew instead of spending his his time treating the patient.
The biggest dissapointment in the entire situation is the lack of the CruiserCam footage of Nate getting Tased... that would be pure entertainment. :hehe:
Good Luck Nate... I applaud you for trying to help a patient who was obviously in need.
emt_chance
12-29-2005, 17:16
After reading that press release it brings yet another point to mind, If in fact that LaPorte EMS supervisor were that close to the scene did he not have a duty to act? Is that not a law in TX I know it is here in FL and if nothing else its an ethicl consideration, It seems to me that in this whole situation not only did La Porte EMS delay definitive care but their supervisor and possibly the whole agency were negligent in the fact that they had a duty to act and did not and moreso withheld difinitive care from a patient. If the press release posted is in fact how things really went down, the lawyers are going to have a hay day and I would imagine Nates case would get laughed out of court. But it still seems to me like there are some politics involved....
emt_chance
12-29-2005, 17:17
Oh and Nate :respect: and :beer: for standing up and trrying to do the right thing.
Why can't I be around when stuff like this happens. I hope the "witness" is credible, if so, Nate is gonna get a "check" I am sure. I truly hope that this family sues this city for negligence as this is a case.
While I am sure that Nate was not the most "civil" in this incident, this is a case of negligence and hope justice is served Texas style but I am sure since it is the city police and other departments, it will be swept away.
I hope Nate presses assault/battery and kidnapping charges against the EMS Supervisor. This person has no authority to handcuff Nate when a Cop is on scene. God, I could only of dreamed of this happening to me.
East Baton Rouge Parish actually has the same type of ordinance. Acadian Ambulance could not run 911 calls in the parish. They would provide treatment until and EMS unit arrived and turn the patient over. If there were no available EMS units, them the private provider was given permission to transport the patient. At no time was patient care ever compromised or inhibited no matter how much interdepartmental hatred was involved.
I can't wait till Nate can talk about this. Nate, if you are reading this, keep your mouth shut till it is all settled. I hope your employer has provided an attorney. I would consider getting my own and filing my own civil suit on top of everything else.
I for one think I am going to shoot an email of support to Nate's boss as well and encourage everyone else to as well.
Smurfe:beer:
BFD Medic424
12-29-2005, 19:34
It sucks that this happens to somebody just trying to do their job.:respect: Nate-get a lawyer and sue those @$$holes for all they are worth!
After reading that press release it brings yet another point to mind, If in fact that LaPorte EMS supervisor were that close to the scene did he not have a duty to act? Is that not a law in TX I know it is here in FL and if nothing else its an ethicl consideration, It seems to me that in this whole situation not only did La Porte EMS delay definitive care but their supervisor and possibly the whole agency were negligent in the fact that they had a duty to act and did not and moreso withheld definitive care from a patient. If the press release posted is in fact how things really went down, the lawyers are going to have a hay day and I would imagine Nates case would get laughed out of court. But it still seems to me like there are some politics involved....
Chris, I was thinking the exact same thing. If that supervisor arrived in a company vehicle that is licensed by their state, then yes, they have a duty to act. We have only heard one side of the story but from that story a picture of negligence is painted. Now, we may find different from others. I think that there is a story at all though shows that there are issues and surely the patient did suffer during this event. I for one plan to find out the local newspaper and write a letter to the editor asking these questions.
Smurfe :beer:
Baker3634
12-29-2005, 20:18
Wait... is this OUR Nate we're talking about here? Nate best of luck Brother. Hang in there!
Wait... is this OUR Nate we're talking about here? Nate best of luck Brother. Hang in there!
Yup, it sure is.
Smurfe:beer:
Baker3634
12-29-2005, 20:30
Why am I not suprised... Nate you rock brother, stand tall and proud :respect: You were just doing what was right! Hope you didn't get to hurt man!
mcaldwell
12-29-2005, 20:36
Well first off, I sincerely hope Nate is OK after that smack on the curb. If someone gets to talk to him, let us know how he is doing.
And second, I am absolutley flabergasted. I don't want to be critical of a system I know nothing about, but what the hell is going on down there that these guys can't work together?
I agree that Nate should sue the bastard, and the family should sue too. I hope they both get a house sized payday for that kind of bullschit! :confused:
MadMedic
12-29-2005, 20:48
What is more important issuing a ticket or Pt. care? That supervisor should be fired for neglecting the patient, he knew what the call was or he woulnd have been there. What a pile of crap:soapbox:
Nate how is your head? What a pile of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A ticket is more important than the patient. What a pile of crap.
What a pile of.........:soapbox:
Well Nate...You Go Boy!! But, I find it hard to imagine that he didn't put up a little bit of a fuss. Either way, he didn't deserve the treatment he got. I'll be interested to see where this goes from here!! Good Luck Nate and I wish you the best!!
volparamedic
12-29-2005, 22:42
What ever happened to patient care being top priority. Nate hang in there you did the right thing man. I'd probably do the same thing. You're the man for being tazed!! That sh#@ hurts!! Definately keep quite until you settle everything! Then spill the juice. Good luck!!! :bow: :respect: :soapbox:
EMSsquirrel
12-29-2005, 22:43
Should we start taking up collection for Nate's bail?
It's bull. Crap like this makes me sick. :v: And now, to boot, Nate's going to have a resisting arrest charge on his record. Those surely don't look good! I've got half a mind to drive my @$$ down there and give those morons a what-for, but I'd probably just end up in the slammer next to Nate.
- Greg
paramedicmike
12-29-2005, 23:06
As others have said...
Nate, you have my support. There is nothing that justifies what happened to you, the patient or the patient's family. Get a lawyer and quick!
I must admit, however, that there seem to be an awful lot of holes between the two stories. I realize there are three sides to every story. We've seen two of them. It'll be nice once Nate is in a position to talk and tell us what really happened.
Hang in there, man! Hope you're well.
-be safe.
My crew, my station, my service, my friends, my family, my local hospital, all of the support means a lot to me. I can't speak much, I'll be "reading", but not posting. You can always shoot me an email at njung@baystarems.com if you guys want.
Nate
I talked to Nate on the phone tonight. As he stated he can't say anything in public as you all an figure out. He appreciates all the support from the family here. Just thought I'd make a post to to please not ask him any details until he can share. You know him, when time comes, he will share.
Smurfe:beer:
Wow, Nate! Way to get yourself on the news...lol! You deserve a hand for taking a stand! You did what was right! We are behind you all the way!
Shelby
EMSsquirrel
12-30-2005, 03:24
KHOU has video on their website. http://www.khou.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=www.khou.com/vicente10__051229.wmv
And a text article here (where the observant among us will notice that they incorrectly spelled Nate's last name):
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou051229_cd_ambulance.27e121a9.html
If the articles don't show, just try harder. They didn't show when I followed the news link from the front page here (registration screen appeared instead), but I did something (not sure what) and got them to work. Beats me.
Nate, gnarly head wound.
Random pondering here. I've always wondered, how do you get arrested for resisting arrest? I mean, I'm very much pro-law enforcement. Our brothers and sisters in blue, and so forth. But, to resist arrest, you need to be being arrested for something else first, right? If the only charge they have on you is resisting arrest, then it doesn't seem like they had any grounds to "arrest" you in the first place. I'd argue unlawful confinement and threaten a lawsuit!
- Greg
JKitchen
12-30-2005, 04:42
I watched the videos and read the printed accounts of what happened with Nate, I'm not impressed with what happened to him one bit or the fact the patient had to wait so long for Tx and transport.
I don't agree with the actions of the police, sounds like the officer skipped a few steps in the use of force guideline.
Hey Nate, you'll be good after all this.
southpawmedic
12-30-2005, 09:13
Hey Nate...hang in there buddy! We're all behind ya. Reading the article on the KHOU website on the altercation it says..."La Porte said that the minute Bay Star deemed the case to be an emergency, they should have turned it over to them instead of going themselves."
Ummm..correct me if I'm wrong but when the call came in as difficulty breathing wouldn't that be deemed and EMERGENCY!!! What the he** is wrong with these people? What a bunch of BS:mad:
Nate...I'm not a big one on sueing people but man...get that lawyer and clean their pockets!!!!!!!!!!!
Epinephrine
12-30-2005, 09:38
I like where the BayStar Dispatcher asks the LaPorte Dispatcher if they are taking the call and they say no... Sounds like they were setting up a conflict right there.
RyanEMVFD
12-30-2005, 10:38
I know the EMS business here in Texas can be cut-throat. After working for Rural/Metro for so long I learned first hand. Some services will defend their terrority very strongly. While I have never seen one go like this before. Majority of the time patient care comes first and it is settled afterwards. Mostly a fine is sent to the service. I know in Arlington, Grand Prairie and I think Fort Worth it was a $10,000 hit if a service came into that city and picked up a patient with out permission. I don't know the exact details of Nate's case, I hardly trust the news media to report the truth.
Nate, I'm rooting for you. Let us know if you need anything.
DaSharkie
12-30-2005, 16:41
Nate - about the head wound: Chicks dig scars. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
About LaPorte EMS - :v: :v: :v: :v:
No need for this. I hate lawsuits. I hate lawyers. This however is a case in point for a BIG *** lawsuit. La Porte EMS, La Porte Police, the supervisor and the police officer personally. Out of line, let alone that there could be grounds for a legal challenge against the municipal ordinance.
Nice to see the support for Nate. He can be a punk :p but this is a bit rediculous. Nate probably just wanted 15 minutes of fame, and with him bitching about having to pay for school he probably figured that this was just another way to try to find a way to pay for it. I have to give you respect for the ingenious method by which you came up to pay for school. :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect:
As for the resisting charge, if the charges are dropped he can have it expunged. If he is exhonerated in a trial, he can have it expunged. In some states even if convicted and a suspended sentence is given, it can be expunged.
Keep your chin up and tell your boss he seems like a stand up guy. Oh yeah, throw eggs at the LaPorte supervisor next time you see him for me. And charge him with Texas OEMS for failure to act, and generally being an @$$hole.
DaSharkie
12-30-2005, 16:51
Oh yeah,
Another opportunity for another shameless plug to support an individual having their own liability insurance. You never know what situations will pop up or when. Not all employers are as stand up as Nate's seems to be.
Oh yeah,
Another opportunity for another shameless plug to support an individual having their own liability insurance. You never know what situations will pop up or when. Not all employers are as stand up as Nate's seems to be.
You got a point there. I never had it and I have been pulled into court a few time. Thank God I was always in the right and none of it ever cost me a dime but those days are long long gone. Sharkie has a great point, I would look at it as an investment in my future in regards to the cost.
Smurfe :beer:
Absolutely insane. I hope things between privates and municipals never gets that bad. Not great as they are, but ten times better than being assaulted within sight of a patient.
DaSharkie
12-30-2005, 19:15
You got a point there. I never had it and I have been pulled into court a few time. Thank God I was always in the right and none of it ever cost me a dime but those days are long long gone. Sharkie has a great point, I would look at it as an investment in my future in regards to the cost.
Smurfe :beer:
HPSO - www.hpso.com
It costs $159 a year as a Paramedic, I just had to renew my policy a couple of weeks ago. Well worth it for the peace of mind. Cheaper for your first year if you just graduated within the past 12 months.
Keep your chin up Nate.
The support from you guys, as well as medics across the country really means a lot to me.
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou051229_cd_ambulance.27e121a9.html
Zwiercan said she couldn't believe all of this happened just because she made a phone call just to help her father.
She said when she made that call, she asked what transport services she could use and received a list from the La Porte dispatcher. On that list was Bay Star.
Dispatch said they did give her that number, but why they gave her the number of a ambulance service company that doesn't have a permit in La Porte is unknown.
It's pretty clear now, dude- you got set the **** up.
Baker3634
12-31-2005, 16:33
Nate, want me to make the LaPorte EMS guys sorry they ever F**ked with you? Believe me Brother, I got your back, as do all of us here. Hope your feeling better and that things go your way. :bow: :respect:
hageremtp
12-31-2005, 19:13
Wow, that is ****ed up. Dude, good luck with all of this. I respect you for standing up for what is right and being a good patient advocate. Keep up the good work.
DaSharkie
12-31-2005, 19:28
Nate can you can tell us if Texas OEMS has gotten involved with this? Just curious how much more of a crap storm you have caused. :D
BFD Medic424
01-01-2006, 13:42
Nate being the thug that you are (see "Aww....daymmm" thread in the Off Topic forum) you should've been able to take that cop out!:smiley_ab:D Just kidding, keep your chin up Bro.:respect:
emmit233
01-01-2006, 22:02
HPSO - www.hpso.com
It costs $159 a year as a Paramedic, I just had to renew my policy a couple of weeks ago. Well worth it for the peace of mind. Cheaper for your first year if you just graduated within the past 12 months.
Well now that price depends on what state you live and work in. Mine is not that cheap. :screams:
SteelMaiden
01-03-2006, 13:06
Hang tight, Nate. Good luck, not that you need luck, you were trying to help the patient, it was the city guy that really needs to be investigated.
hageremtp
01-03-2006, 13:39
Well now that price depends on what state you live and work in. Mine is not that cheap. :screams:
EMMIT233- HPSO gives a rate quote of 159.00 per year for Indiana, I'm confused??
State: Indiana
Profession/Area of study: EMS-Paramedic
Employment Status: Employed
Limits of Liability: $1,000,000 / $3,000,000
Recent Graduate: No
Total Annual Premium: $159.00
I go for my first court date (lawyer believes there will be a total of 3) at the Harris County Court House tomorrow.
BFD Medic424
01-03-2006, 15:10
I go for my first court date (lawyer believes there will be a total of 3) at the Harris County Court House tomorrow.
Good luck!
Good luck Nate...but like others have said you won't need it!
Shelby
Baker3634
01-03-2006, 19:18
Want me to kick the opposing lawyer's asses Nate? :respect:
emmit233
01-03-2006, 21:21
EMMIT233- HPSO gives a rate quote of 159.00 per year for Indiana, I'm confused??
State: Indiana
Profession/Area of study: EMS-Paramedic
Employment Status: Employed
Limits of Liability: $1,000,000 / $3,000,000
Recent Graduate: No
Total Annual Premium: $159.00
Ahh yes but when I talked to them on the phone and needed to upgrade from Advanced EMT FT to medic FT it ended up being a little over $167.00 I don't know why all i know is I wrote the check and sent it LOL I bet it has something to do with the fact that I am a newbie medic.
Anyway back to the topic of the post: Good Luck Nate! Way to be a pt. advocate...even if you got whooped up on by the "man" :jig:
8 minutes...that is how long until I head to court...8 minutes. This has to be the longest 8 minutes of my life.
Baker3634
01-04-2006, 16:15
Best of luck man, Not that you'll need it!
DaSharkie
01-04-2006, 17:01
8 minutes...that is how long until I head to court...8 minutes. This has to be the longest 8 minutes of my life.
DEAD MAN WALKING!!!!
Just kidding man. I couldn't resist. :lol: :p
Well today was the probable cause hearing, we are to go back before the judge on January 19th.
IMABASICEMT
01-10-2006, 19:46
I've been so busy I missed this thread!
Well, Nate! Dog gone it anyhow!:o :bang:
I know that the court stuff is stressful but hang in there. I'm sure things will turn out just fine.:)
We are meeting with the Houston Chronicle today, they are suppose to take my picture. Anyways, court is next Thursday.
Keep us posted on the neverending, exciting times of Nate!
Shelby
The story will be in Sunday's Houston Chronicle in the Metro section.
EMSsquirrel
01-12-2006, 00:37
The story will be in Sunday's Houston Chronicle in the Metro section.
With a picture? You should have provided them your "thug" pic you posted here. Would really work well for your image... :D :D
Standing by for incoming...
- Greg
DaSharkie
01-12-2006, 07:06
You're really trying to milk that 15 minutes of fame for all it's worth huh bud? :p
SteelMaiden
01-12-2006, 11:07
With a picture? You should have provided them your "thug" pic you posted here. Would really work well for your image... :D :D
Standing by for incoming...
- Greg
Thug picture? for some stupid reason, the only picture of Nate that I can remember is the half pint.....
Keep thinking good thoughts, Nate. good luck
paramedicmike
01-15-2006, 20:43
The story will be in Sunday's Houston Chronicle in the Metro section.
Got a link? Looked for it but couldn't find it.
Epinephrine
01-16-2006, 12:14
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3589357.html
One day I'll be able to speak the truth. :confused:
Baker3634
01-16-2006, 16:15
What no mug shott Nate? :confused:
DaSharkie
01-16-2006, 18:05
You mean the press got it wrong? I am shocked and in total disbelief.
Well, there's a first time for everything isn't there?
Thanks for finding the site Sean!!
The picture is in the print version of the story, it shows the three of us. I'll try to scan it later.
Baker3634
01-16-2006, 22:12
Cool...
BFD Medic424
01-16-2006, 23:28
The picture is in the print version of the story, it shows the three of us. I'll try to scan it later.
I wanna see a pic. of your "battle wounds.:smiley_ab " :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
DaSharkie
01-17-2006, 06:49
Yeah, chicks dig scars man.
Most of them have healed.
Epinephrine
01-17-2006, 16:03
Are you showing up to court wearing a c-collar? ;)
Are you showing up to court wearing a c-collar? ;)
Don't forget the cane. I hear the cane is a very persuasive peice of equipment.
This is CRIMINAL COURT, and I would never make false alligations.
EMSsquirrel
01-17-2006, 23:42
This is CRIMINAL COURT, and I would never make false alligations.
Why not? The only reason you're going in there is because they've charged YOU with a load of B.S. :D
- Greg
IMABASICEMT
01-19-2006, 13:52
Nate......did you have court today?? How did things go?
Yes I had court today, the only news I can share with you is that I found a new place to park that is only $7 instead of the $15 I was paying.
DaSharkie
01-19-2006, 18:00
Heck Nate, with all of the money the lawyer is getting, the least he could do is swing by to pick you up adn save you some coin. :respect:
Heck Nate, with all of the money the lawyer is getting, the least he could do is swing by to pick you up adn save you some coin. :respect:
Charles Bryan who owns Bay Star EMS is paying him, not me.
Yes I had court today, the only news I can share with you is that I found a new place to park that is only $7 instead of the $15 I was paying.
They don't Validate? :soapbox:
Smurfe :beer:
DaSharkie
01-20-2006, 07:12
Charles Bryan who owns Bay Star EMS is paying him, not me.
I like your boss even more now. Seems like a stand up guy. Either way, he is still getting a lot of coin so he ought to swing on in and pick ya up.
IMABASICEMT
01-20-2006, 16:11
Well, at least you are still able to park somewhere and they didn't keep you!!:D
Wow, $7 to park! We're spoiled here, only place you have to pay to park is the airport.:lol:
SteelMaiden
01-20-2006, 16:34
Well, at least you are still able to park somewhere and they didn't keep you!!:D
Wow, $7 to park! We're spoiled here, only place you have to pay to park is the airport.:lol:
Airport? what's that? lol!
We don't even have parking meters, let alone paid parking lots.
RyanEMVFD
01-20-2006, 21:03
I know how that he feels. I just had to go do a desposition for a call from close to 3 years ago.
Baker3634
01-21-2006, 00:36
I think Nate loves all the attention he's getting! LOL!
I think Nate loves all the attention he's getting! LOL!
Yeah I gotta agree...You've always been a sucker to get noticed Nate... :D
Now that you have your 22 1/2 seconds of fame, maybe you'll move to Hollywood!! :hehe:
But seriously Nate, you know I'm just messin witch ya!!
Rentapig
01-22-2006, 04:56
i know im new still and dont talk much but any news
I know I'm late on getting this in Nate, but I'm behind you on this one... best of luck!
Texas Medic
01-23-2006, 14:26
Hey nate, I'm behind you all the way. Never been a fan of the LPPD they always seem to come up with the BS charges. Good luck with everything, keep us informed the best you can.
Thanks, nice to know I have some people behind me! :wave:
Next court date is Feb. 9, 2006 at 0830 at Harris County Criminal Court 7.
dude, i'm way late, but good luck man! hope to hear your version sometime in the future. if that happened up here in NY... well first off #1 anyone has the right to request any ambulance service they want, regardless if they have the CON (permit) for the area #2 the municiple medics could care less if the private service takes the call in their area, less work for them. with a call volume of 100,000+ 911 dispatched calls, and about 50,000+/-'private' calls in the county its just too damn busy to pull crap like that. #3 if it did happen the supervisor and PD would be the ones in court to explain their actions not the medic.
Hope all goes well!!!
Wow, I'm late too! Good luck Nate. Is the next date going to be the last? I'm dying to know the outcome.
mcaldwell
02-04-2006, 21:05
Thanks, nice to know I have some people behind me! :wave:
Yup we're behind you but keep in mind, if you don't entertain us, we'll push you in front of the bus. :hehe:
Good Luck! ;)
Well next Thursday I go to court again, hoping they will drop the charges.
Getting kind of nervous, really hoping this is the last time I go to criminal court because they dismiss the charges.
emtp2031
02-07-2006, 15:08
Good luck Nate....that would be a great thing if they do drop them all....
Well the State is going to dismiss the chrages, they just need to talk to the two that were with me so that they can keep La Porte off of their back. So here is to hoping that I'm cleared on February 21, 2006 when I go back to court.
DaSharkie
02-09-2006, 20:02
Dang! I was hopin to get to see you in one of those orange jumpsuits that says "DOC" or "CONVICT" on the back. :o :o :o
Nice to hear things working out for ya. Hopefully those idiotic twits with the lack of common sense and stupid rules will exercise the few brain cells that they have left.
volparamedic
02-09-2006, 21:30
Hang in there...we're hear for ya! Hope and pray everything goes good for you and the company. You know it's been said that if you couldn't deal with what ever happens to you that it wouldn't have in the first place (Though sometimes I wonder about this). This will make you a stronger and better person. You can never go wrong as long as you have the patient's best interest at heart. In hard times you find out who your true friends really are. Just keep looking up and forward!!!
BFD Medic424
02-09-2006, 22:08
Well the State is going to dismiss the chrages
Dang! I was hopin to get to see you in one of those orange jumpsuits that says "DOC" or "CONVICT" on the back.
At least you won't have to worry about dropping the soap!:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I just hope the state can get everything in order so that February 21, 2006 is the day I'm cleared.
Baker3634
02-10-2006, 15:59
I just hope the state can get everything in order so that February 21, 2006 is the day I'm cleared.
Why Feb 21, 2006 though, is that a special date for you?
Why Feb 21, 2006 though, is that a special date for you?
It will be. When the state and the various management type people learn that street medics really do know what we are doing and that what we are doign is what it right for the PATIENT (you know the one who called us) not what is neccesarily "right" for our pocketbook.
So Nate, where is the after party on the 21st gonna be?
I don't know, haven't thought about it. Don't really feel like celebrating this, to be honest I look forward to moving past it.
Baker3634
02-11-2006, 15:43
I don't know, haven't thought about it. Don't really feel like celebrating this, to be honest I look forward to moving past it.
Why not make this a post Katrina, Nate get's his *** saved party? Haha... I'd drive out for the occasion buddy!
mcaldwell
02-15-2006, 19:15
Bout friggin time!
Glad to hear it Nate.
Now make you sure you give us all the goodies on the 22nd. :hehe:
I'm not sure if I'll be able to talk after February 21 or not. Also, DSHS (Department of State Health Services) called today to ask what was going on with the criminal case, she said that she hopes to pass the case onto Austin (where the head office is).
Why is there a civil case? Are you filing a civil suit against the county?
Smurfe :beer:
DaSharkie
02-15-2006, 22:23
Papa Smurfe, he has to pay for medical school and undergrad somehow doesn't he? (lucky pr!ck)
Just be sure to have your record expunged after the charges are dropped.
Well tomorrow I return to Harris County Criminal Court #7, and I don't really expect much out of this court date. I talked to my two co-workers (one of which has moved on to another job) and they haven't been contacted by the DA. I even wrote their phone numbers (cell) down for the DA to call them so we could get the paperwork done and this case dismissed.
So my boss is going to call the lawyer (I tried earlier today) and see what we can do to get this done with. It is getting old paying $30 a day to park, finding coverage for work, missing school, and sitting in court for hours only to be told to come back in two weeks
BFD Medic424
02-21-2006, 13:57
So my boss is going to call the lawyer (I tried earlier today) and see what we can do to get this done with. It is getting old paying $30 a day to park, finding coverage for work, missing school, and sitting in court for hours only to be told to come back in two weeks
Aint the court system great!:bang: Don't sweat it you'll be done in a little bit.
So I went to court today, no change...they are still trying to talk to my two crew members.
So I went to court today, no change...they are still trying to talk to my two crew members.
Well tomorrow I return to Harris County Criminal Court #7, and I don't really expect much out of this court date. I talked to my two co-workers (one of which has moved on to another job) and they haven't been contacted by the DA. I even wrote their phone numbers (cell) down for the DA to call them so we could get the paperwork done and this case dismissed.
KInda sounds like they aren't trying to hard.
Well today they were ready to make their minds up as to whether or not they wanted to go to trial with what information they had. My lawyer got them to try contacting the two medics. If they don't dimiss the charges, then he is going to ask the judge to drop them.
Rentapig
02-22-2006, 07:30
i hope it works out sounds likes it going to man have a good day i hope you sue the caca out of the cop
It is with great enthusiasm that I proudly announce that today in Harris County Criminal Court 7, the charges brought against me in reference to the incident with the City of La Porte were dismissed. It has been a long three months, and in the end justice prevailed and I am clear.
I would like to say that I never coursed, yelled, assaulted or acted in any other way unbecoming of a paramedic. The allegations were all false, and that was clear when there was no evidence to support their claims. The Bayshore Sun wrote false statements about me, which mislead their readers to believe I was some kind of animal and that the service I work for was cold blooded and only concerned with money.
I myself will never be able to forgive La Porte EMS for only sending a supervisor when they knew we were running emergency traffic. I cannot forgive them for not working this patient as a combined effort until their ambulance arrived. At no time did ANYONE with my service, my crew, or I have an issue with handing it over to La Porte EMS. What happened was a city service with a power trip with held patient care from a patient who had to suffer. I sincerely hope that DSHS will do the right thing and take action as to prevent those involved in this case who delayed patient care from having the opportunity to cause further harm to society.
I would like to thank my attorney Charles Adams for representing me. To my duty supervisor, dispatch team, and fellow co-workers from Bay Star; I have immense respect for you guys and gals. I’m proud that all of you stuck by my side, that you were there to work so hard, even after you were off to get me out, and to take me to the hospital. To the owners of Bay Star, Charles & Kelly Bryan for standing behind me, providing legal council, and allowing me to continue to work as a paramedic. I would also like to thank the City of South Houston who kept me on the ambulance, and the many officers of South Houston PD, Pasadena PD, Baytown PD, Houston PD, Harris County SO, and the Constables who supported me and believed that I was innocent.
Nate
Let me be the first to say "Congratulations Nate!!" Good Job!!
southpawmedic
03-07-2006, 14:27
CONGRATULATIONS!!!! We are all thrilled that you are finished with this garbage and can move on. Take a break, go to the Bahamas, have a few drinks. NOW GET BACK TO WORK!!! :lol:
I wish it was that easy, but now begins round 2. The civil side.
I am so excited for you and that you are now able to put this chapter behind you.
I'm happy I don't have to pay $7 to park and then have to walk four blocks every two weeks to court.
Congrats...go out and have a drink! Don't forget to have one for me...
Shelby
Good deal, I figured it would all wash out in the end and justice would prevail.
Smurfe :beer:
Keep in mind that we might have won the battle, but we haven't won the war. I still face a review board with Texas DSHS (Department of State Health Services); however I have been "cleared" in Pasadena (that was another load of doggie doo-do that I don't want to get into).
Now I must take on an entire city and fight to have the officers and EMS personal involved removed from public service. It would be wrong to allow these people to go unpunished so that they could continue to punish society with their sick and twisted ideology.
Baker3634
03-08-2006, 00:02
Congrats Nate! Have a :beer: for me bro!
volparamedic
03-08-2006, 08:33
Congradulations Nate!!! At least now you may be seeing a light at the end of the tunnel now. Hang in there...we're all here for you!!
:beer:
Congratulations Nate!!!!
Now go out there and kick some butts!!!!
Swanny
mcaldwell
03-08-2006, 22:16
Congratulations Nate! :beer:
And you didn't even have to use the bloody glove defense. :p
BFD Medic424
03-14-2006, 14:28
Congrats Nate!:beer: (sorry its late)
Rentapig
03-15-2006, 03:51
glad to see your free man have a good day and dont let them get away with what they did not only to you but to the person in need
Well my attorney is on vacation this week, so we file the paperwork needed for the lawsuit next week when he returns.
Well La Porte PD did it again, this time they tazed a guy they are interviewing in their own station.:wow:
EMSsquirrel
04-22-2006, 01:01
Well La Porte PD did it again, this time they tazed a guy they are interviewing in their own station.:wow:
You? :D :D
BFD Medic424
04-22-2006, 15:24
I think its time for some mental health evals!:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
My attorney has jury duty and some big folony case, so we hope to regroup next week.
Rentapig
04-24-2006, 00:52
idon't care what yoou say thats funny right there
When you consider that a "jury" consists of 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty, it's actually a little bit scary. <BG>
Well I'm still paying for this mess, I have to go before the Dean of Student Affairs and a board to explain myself. I have also lost a large scholarship because of this mess. We are still trying to get it exponged and situation corrected.
DaSharkie
05-18-2006, 18:43
I wouldn't explain to them anything. You were arrested, the charges were dropped, you were not tried, nor were you found guilty. It is none of their concern.
Exactly, if the charges were dropped, there is no criminal record. They can't hold the incident against you if there are no charges on record. You will not have any arrest record either without a conviction.
Smurfe :beer:
DaSharkie
05-19-2006, 06:19
You will not have any arrest record either without a conviction.
Depends on the state. I know from working in Massachusetts that if you are arrested the record remains on your BOP computer check, as well as case disposition.
Unless you have the record expunged. This same record is available through an interstate check. So you ought to make sure that it is taken care of.
I still say that you ought to tell the school to go scratch.
Depends on the state. I know from working in Massachusetts that if you are arrested the record remains on your BOP computer check, as well as case disposition.
Unless you have the record expunged. This same record is available through an interstate check. So you ought to make sure that it is taken care of.
I still say that you ought to tell the school to go scratch.
That is the way it is here in Texas, and if I was to tell the school where to put their questions; I wouldn't be a student there for to long.
EMSsquirrel
05-21-2006, 18:59
In my humble and occasionally beligerent opinion, any school which would rather their medical profession students sit by and allow a patient to suffer, rather than having a set and being a patient advocate, doesn't need my money. I'm here to do what's right and what's best, even if it hurts a few feelings.
Besides, Nate, you ought to be on your way to being a state hero.
After all, the Texas House of Representatives once passed a resolution praising the Boston Strangler!
So the paramedic is no longer a paramedic.
:lol: ******* he was.
The La Porte supervisor you mean?
YEAH!!!
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