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smurfe
06-08-2005, 18:04
I await your comments.

Smurfe :beer:

No discipline for firefighter on cocaine during firetruck crash - New York

Jun 7, 2005, 17:18

A Bronx firefighter who tested positive for cocaine after his rig collided with another fire engine shouldn't be disciplined because the incident doesn't qualify as a "major accident" under FDNY regulations, an administrative law judge has ruled.

In a stunning decision issued May 20, Judge Kara Miller said the drug test administered to firefighter Thomas Lennon immediately after the crash on Feb. 21, 2004, must be disqualified - even though Lennon didn't dispute the results.

The Fire Department's restrictive regulations allow post-accident tests only in cases of a "major accident," where there is significant damage to a vehicle or property or there is serious injury or death.

Lennon, rushing to a fire with lights and sirens, smacked his vehicle into another firetruck going the wrong way down a one-way street.

That set off a multicar pileup of parked cars that left two civilians and several firefighters injured.

He was ultimately found not to be at fault.

Furthermore, Miller wrote, "There was no evidence presented . . . for concluding that the collision constituted a major accident at the time it occurred or shortly thereafter."

She added, "The damage could have been minor in degree and cost even if several vehicles were affected."

Miller also noted that the injuries consisted mainly of "cuts, bruises and soft-tissue" wounds.




Source:

New York Post, (2005). No discipline for firefighter on cocaine during firetruck crash. Retrieved Jun. 08, 2005, from http://www.emsnetwork.org/artman/publish/article_16439.shtml.

Nate
06-08-2005, 19:23
:wow: We would be carted off to jail.

rory_el
06-08-2005, 19:53
I'd expect to be fired too, however I'd appeal too and on appeal the rules of the court are quite different. Though I don't advocate, nor condone drug use, I support the finding of fact. I'd expect that the days are numbered for the FF in question.

firechic
06-08-2005, 22:02
Definitely fired and arrested.

IAMedic
06-08-2005, 22:49
Fired, charged, and lynched upon returning from posting bond...

WELLAGEDEMT
06-09-2005, 16:29
Wouldn't happen on our squad!! I'll bet that that firefighter will be under the microscope for a long time to come. He'll probably get reassigned or maybe even get promoted to an officer position! :wink:

SteelMaiden
06-09-2005, 16:44
man, if it did, i think i'd resign.

IAMedic
06-09-2005, 16:48
...He'll probably get reassigned or maybe even get promoted to an officer position!

Unfortunately, if it's like many places, there may some truth to that. :bang:

mcaldwell
06-10-2005, 01:49
That only works when you take the impact in Zone 2. ;)

(Officer's seat on the Engine for the Non-Fire/EVOC speaking)

celestialdaisy
06-10-2005, 04:38
Not a chance in my department. We'd be killed. There are too many of us on the medical side who wouldn't want to risk our livelyhoods. (And wouldn't let anyone else do it either)

champ
06-12-2005, 20:46
Well, that is something that is very hard to stomach. I suppose there may be underlying cercumstances here such as PTSD as a result of 911 leading to his cocaine use but still, if he was under the influence of cocaine, not just had it in his system, and drove that truck and put his brothers and sisters lives at stake, shame on him!!! Maybe he is a great firefighter and can get help for his problem and maybe even return healthy and able to do his job again. However, I don't see too many of his fellow firefighters trusting him for some time to come, and in this business trust is everything!! I hope is able to get help and that his family doesn't end up suffering for this mistake.

smurfe
06-13-2005, 15:22
Well, that is something that is very hard to stomach. I suppose there may be underlying cercumstances here such as PTSD as a result of 911 leading to his cocaine use but still, if he was under the influence of cocaine, not just had it in his system, and drove that truck and put his brothers and sisters lives at stake, shame on him!!! Maybe he is a great firefighter and can get help for his problem and maybe even return healthy and able to do his job again. However, I don't see too many of his fellow firefighters trusting him for some time to come, and in this business trust is everything!! I hope is able to get help and that his family doesn't end up suffering for this mistake.

I agree here. I am one that would not condone firing this dude. Where I am miffed is that there will be no disciplinary action, no rehabilitative services and more than likely since this incident was over ruled by a technicality, there is a good chance that the use of drugs in this incident more than likely are not in the personnel files meaning no documentation chain for future incidents.

Smurfe :beer:

mediccjh
06-14-2005, 23:51
Wouldn't happen on our squad!! I'll bet that that firefighter will be under the microscope for a long time to come. He'll probably get reassigned or maybe even get promoted to an officer position! :wink:

And the scary part is, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT!!!!

:soapbox: Ever since 9/11, every black eye FDNY has gotten, they blame on 9/11. DWI off-duty? 9/11. Turning a firehouse into a whore house? 9/11. Crashing the truck while on cocaine? 9/11.

I invite all of you to do a Google search and see how many NYPD or EMS members of service you see blame their problems on 9/11.

:soapbox:

FyrGuy176
08-24-2005, 13:39
The thing that realy burns me in this and a lot of other legal and criminal cases is the way lawyers weasel their clients out of trouble due to a technicality ! We have to put an end to the BAD GUYS haveing more rights than the GOOD GUYS !

rory_el
09-03-2005, 17:41
Sounds lie he's in good company, Clinton wanted to split hairs on the definition of sex and here the defintion of major accident is the issue. He may have survived this, but he won't be around for long depending upon where he is assigned.